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| Joe Gwinn |
Making a hall-effect magnetic field meter Commercial magnetic field meters are a bit expensive, and of course do just one thing, so many people do without. However, the progress in semiconductors has made measurement of magnetic fields easy, and simple enough for homebrew solutions to be quite workable. I'm designing a simple magnetic field meter based on a hall-effect IC and using an ordinary digital multimeter (DMM) as the readout. This began when I looked at the datasheet for a modern hall sensor, and noticed that it was laser-trimmed at the factory to an accuracy of plus or minus 1.5%, which is more than adequate for measuring the strength of pickup magnetic fields. Laser trimming at the factory eliminates one of the big obstacles to homebrew, the lack of a way to calibrate the sensor. I have a circuit designed, but not yet built and tested. I'll publish the final tested circuit by and by, but in the meantime I'll identify the major components for the electronically inclined: Sensor: Allegro model "A1321UA". This is a 3-terminal device in a flattened TO-92 "transistor" package. The terminals are: ground, +5 volt power (about 6 milliamps), and signal out. The sensitivity is 5 millivolts per gauss, in either direction, so a 20-gauss field (from a pickup pole) would yield a 5*20= 100 millivolt signal, well within the capabilities of ordinary DMMs. which most people already own. The maximum field that can be measured is 2.5/0.005= 500 gauss, which ought to suffice. Go to http://www.allegro.com for data, and to Newark to buy them. They cost US $1.35 in small quantities. The 5-volt power must be very stable, as it directly affects the measurement accuracy, and the sensor blows out at 8 volts, so one cannot directly power the sensor from a 9-volt battery. This is dealt with below. Zero adjust: The zero-field output of the A1321 is half the 5-volt supply voltage, so the output will vary from 2.5v (no field) to 2.6v (20 gauss), and the accuracy of measuring the 0.1-v field signal will be reduced because it is riding on top of the 2.5-volt "zero" signal. The simple solution is to have a adjustable voltage divider that generates 2.5 volts from the 5-volt supply. Then, the DMM measures between voltage divider and A1321 output, and the divider can be adjusted so the DMM sees zero volts for zero field, and 100 millivolts for 20 gauss. (This trick was called a "slide-back voltmeter" in the old days.) Voltage regulator: The way one adjusts the sensitivity of the A1321 is by adjusting its supply voltage away from 5 volts, the full range being 4.5 to 5.5 volts. Also, it would be very convenient if the meter could be powered by a single 9-volt battery. The National LP2951CN adjustable micropower voltage regulator allows all this to be done. See http://www.national.com for data. The LP2951CN is an 8-pin plastic DIP, costs about US $0.36 in small quantities, and is available from DigiKey. (It's a good idea to use a socket for the regulator and buy five ot ten extras, as one can blow them with the slip of a probe.) Output cable: I'm planning to use an isolated (not connected to chassis) BNC connector on the box plus a BNC-to-dual-bananna plug coax cable (from Pomona) to go from isolated BNC to DMM inputs; this is simple and rugged. A BNC-to-BNC cable would allow the magnetic measurement signal to be fed to an oscilloscope, so the magnetic field can be explored quickly by sweeping the probe. One can also see the music signal on the field, as the bandwidth of the A1321 is DC to 30 KHz. One should also be able to directly sense magnetic hum fields. Shielding: Not needed, as the signal from the A1321 is quite healthy. The main market of the A1321 is automotive and industrial position-sensing, in very difficult and noisy environments. |
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| Dr. Strangelove | RE:Allegro model "A1321UA".
A few years back, some of us tried out Allegro Micro's predecessor A1315/1316 with reasonable results. As I read the datasheets, the new part draws less current but at a significant noise penalty.
That 'delta-Gauss' vs. pickup output looks like a good place to start in characterizing pickup sensitivity, especially since no pickup manufacturor has ever admitted to doing so. -drh -- | |||
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| Joe Gwinn |
5/2005 6:24 PM, Dr. Strangelove said: [QUOTE]RE:Allegro model "A1321UA". "Go to http://www.allegro.com for data, and to Newark to buy them." You mean <http://www.allegromicro.com/sf/1321/>.[/QUOTE]Oops. Yes.
The A3515 noise is 400 microvolts RMS, while the A1321 noise is 40 millivolts peak-to-peak; these are not apples to apples, especially if the noise is spikey, such as the leakage from the 150-170 KHz digital logic within the sensor. When one uses rms noise values, one is implying that the noise is gaussian, which would be seriously misleading if it's a bunch of spikes. This may be why Allegro now specifies peak-to-peak noise; I bet they heard a lot about it from their customers. I would expect that the newer ICs are quieter, not noisier, simply because of progress. I don't think the DMM will notice the noise in either case, but won't know for sure till I build the meter. If it turns out to be a problem, I will add a simple filter.
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| Dr. Strangelove |
Mea culpa. It is the A3515/3516, not discontinued, simply not recommended for new designs. That means you can get it but supplies are limited. <http://www.allegromicro.com/sf/3515/>
The 7805L is the low current version. The 7-10ma load represented by the either Hall effect sensor is adequately handled within the 100ma limit of the 7805.
Consider this an opportunity to exactly characterize the magnetic perturbation at the string and to correlate it with the transducer output, i.e., shoot off your mouth where no gadgeteer has done so before. -drh -- | ||||
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| Joe Gwinn |
On 3/26/2005 7:04 AM, Dr. Strangelove said:
However, a 10:1 difference in capacitor load doesn't full explain a 40/0.4= 100:1 difference in reported noise level. My guess is that the noise level is actually more or less the same, and what we are seeing is the effect of different measurement approaches. I think I'll just get a couple of each kind, and compare them. That is, if I can get any A3515s. If I recall, Newark didn't have any. Maybe they have A1301s and A1302s, which claim far better noise performance. But, it doesn't really matter. The real question is how much noise the A1323 yields, and how much it matters.
In all my readings of pickup patents, I've never seen anything more precise than loose talk about more efficient magnetic circuits, and I have never seen anyone hang a number on "more efficient". I guess that there never was enough of a reason to care, or someone would have done it, and patented it, or at least discussed it in a patent. Another likely reason for the lack of precision is that people rate pickups by their loudness to the ear, and the minimum humanly perceptable difference is something like 3 decibels, or 2:1 on power (1.4:1 on voltage), so only fairly large differences are going to matter. Said another way, the magnetic circuit plus windings would have to be a factor of 1.4 better to even be noticed.
Seriously, the mechanical motion to electrical output ratio is variable, depending on the spacing between strings and poles, which musicians adjust to taste. When this is taken with the factor of 1.4 discussed above, it's not clear how much precision is really necessary and achievable. | ||||
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| Dr. Strangelove |
> But, wouldn't that violate the conspiracy? What? Inject objective reproducibility into a milieu historically fraught with subjectivism? Sorry. My bad. What was I thinking? -drh -- | |
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| anonymous | alot of times if you call the comp. and tell them you would like a "sample " of the product for something your learning in class they will happily send you a few for no cost http://my.execpc.com/~rhoadley/magmeter.htm |
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