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Desparation? No. Religious Extremism...

5/3/2003 4:31 PM
Skreddy	Desparation? No. Religious Extremism... Look at the starving millions all over the world in either war-torn countries, backwards, 3rd-world nations, and politically oppressed regimes. Any place on the earth, OTHER THAN MUSLIM POPULATION CENTERS... Do you commonly see suicide attacks or terrorism of ANY KIND? Now compare and contrast that to the Muslim world. Is any other class of people in the world known for regularly strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up people in random suicide attacks? Islam teaches that the martyr will receive special rewards in heaven (including pale-skinned virgins, little boys, water, wine, fruits, & wealth). Islam teaches that it is Muslims' duty to kill infidels and to continually be at war with them until the whole earth is Islam's. Sure; there are economic factors affecting one's willingness to die for a cult leader such as OBL or for the supposed cause of the Palestinians, or whatever. But the question of dying for those causes wouldn't even come up in the first place were it not for Islam, the religion of war, and the extreme fanaticism of its proponents. And who's keeping them poor in the first place but their own Muslim benefactors? Keep your eye on the news stories for the next few weeks. Any time a violent Muslim demonstration or riot is reported, note whether the reporter mentions if it just happens to take place right after Friday evening prayers, and then ask yourself who could have incited that behavior...

5/3/2003 4:31 PM

Skreddy

Desparation? No. Religious Extremism...

Look at the starving millions all over the world in either war-torn countries, backwards, 3rd-world nations, and politically oppressed regimes.

Any place on the earth, OTHER THAN MUSLIM POPULATION CENTERS...

Do you commonly see suicide attacks or terrorism of ANY KIND?

Now compare and contrast that to the Muslim world. Is any other class of people in the world known for regularly strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up people in random suicide attacks?

Islam teaches that the martyr will receive special rewards in heaven (including pale-skinned virgins, little boys, water, wine, fruits, & wealth). Islam teaches that it is Muslims' duty to kill infidels and to continually be at war with them until the whole earth is Islam's.

Sure; there are economic factors affecting one's willingness to die for a cult leader such as OBL or for the supposed cause of the Palestinians, or whatever. But the question of dying for those causes wouldn't even come up in the first place were it not for Islam, the religion of war, and the extreme fanaticism of its proponents. And who's keeping them poor in the first place but their own Muslim benefactors?

Keep your eye on the news stories for the next few weeks. Any time a violent Muslim demonstration or riot is reported, note whether the reporter mentions if it just happens to take place right after Friday evening prayers, and then ask yourself who could have incited that behavior...

5/3/2003 5:23 PM
LFOscalator	Your arguments exactly supports the idea that desparation is contributing to suicide bombings. Religious promises of riches in an afterlife make sense to someone who is poor and starving but very little sense to a fat cat like SH who has little to die for. Rich Arabs are taught the same religious dogma that the poor are taught, but none of the rich strap on belts loaded with bombs and walk into a train station and detonate themselves. It's strictly a phenomenon of the poor. Despite your claims, very few muslim population centers are involved in suicide bombings. Suicide bombers almost universally operate in war torn areas of the world such as Palistine and now Iraq. Why aren't there suicide bombers operating in Saudi Arabia, Omen, Kuwait, and other oil rich countries? Likewise, why aren't there suicide bombers in Syria and Jordon for that matter who have poor Islamic populations that live under relatively peaceful conditions? Why don't we see suicide bombers in India which also has a very large Islamic population? If your theory is correct, all of these countries would be hotbeds for suicide bombing activity since they all have major Islamic population centers. The theory that Islamic Fundamentalism is completely at fault simply does not explain it. Sure, Islam provides a catalyst for such activities, but it takes desparation and the ravages of war to turn the poor into terrorists. Add in some flawed teachings in Islam to shattered lives and you suddenly have the potential for major problems. Suicide bombings are strickly a loose-loose situation. The bomber looses, his/her family looses, and of course the victims loose. Islamic Leaders that encourage suicide bombings are self-centered garbage who have no value for the lives of the poor that they use as weapons against those who they hate. Likewise, non-Islamic leaders who fail to address the problem of desparation in war torn areas are missing a key item that needs to be understood before lasting peace can be achieved. It's easy to blow the shit out a country with smart bombs and then rebuild the damaged buildings with an inflow of 'humanitarian' aid. It's much more difficult to rebuild the minds of children that have lost their parents and homes to the war, and who now have nothing to live for. How many of these children will become the next generation of suicide bombers? It's something to think about if you are serious about achieving peace. LFO

5/3/2003 5:23 PM

LFOscalator

Your arguments exactly supports the idea that desparation is contributing to suicide bombings.

Religious promises of riches in an afterlife make sense to someone who is poor and starving but very little sense to a fat cat like SH who has little to die for. Rich Arabs are taught the same religious dogma that the poor are taught, but none of the rich strap on belts loaded with bombs and walk into a train station and detonate themselves. It's strictly a phenomenon of the poor.

Despite your claims, very few muslim population centers are involved in suicide bombings. Suicide bombers almost universally operate in war torn areas of the world such as Palistine and now Iraq. Why aren't there suicide bombers operating in Saudi Arabia, Omen, Kuwait, and other oil rich countries? Likewise, why aren't there suicide bombers in Syria and Jordon for that matter who have poor Islamic populations that live under relatively peaceful conditions? Why don't we see suicide bombers in India which also has a very large Islamic population? If your theory is correct, all of these countries would be hotbeds for suicide bombing activity since they all have major Islamic population centers.

The theory that Islamic Fundamentalism is completely at fault simply does not explain it. Sure, Islam provides a catalyst for such activities, but it takes desparation and the ravages of war to turn the poor into terrorists. Add in some flawed teachings in Islam to shattered lives and you suddenly have the potential for major problems.

Suicide bombings are strickly a loose-loose situation. The bomber looses, his/her family looses, and of course the victims loose. Islamic Leaders that encourage suicide bombings are self-centered garbage who have no value for the lives of the poor that they use as weapons against those who they hate.

Likewise, non-Islamic leaders who fail to address the problem of desparation in war torn areas are missing a key item that needs to be understood before lasting peace can be achieved. It's easy to blow the shit out a country with smart bombs and then rebuild the damaged buildings with an inflow of 'humanitarian' aid. It's much more difficult to rebuild the minds of children that have lost their parents and homes to the war, and who now have nothing to live for. How many of these children will become the next generation of suicide bombers? It's something to think about if you are serious about achieving peace.

LFO

5/4/2003 7:16 PM
Skreddy	The problem is that this desparation is engineered into the societies of fundamentalist Islamic (Iran), and Baathist/Marxist (former Iraq & current Syria), and other corrupt, heavily Muslim-dominated regimes (Saudi Arabia). This ensures a steady supply of desparate people willing to die for both the promise of paradise and for monetary rewards commonly given to the families of 'martyrs' by the government or the funding body of whatever terrorist group incited the attack. That warfare is a fundamental tenent of Islam is irrefutable. The suicidal aspect would only be expected to surface in cases of assymetrical warfare, such as when fighting the United States or Israel. But during the long Iran/Iraq war, Iran was out-gunned by Iraq, so they resorted to sending waves of human land-mine sweepers out into the battle in an attempt to overwhelm the enemy with sheer numbers, even if they were hopelessly outclassed. Sheites vs Sunnis; martyrs all. Allah akbar.

5/4/2003 7:16 PM

Skreddy

The problem is that this desparation is engineered into the societies of fundamentalist Islamic (Iran), and Baathist/Marxist (former Iraq & current Syria), and other corrupt, heavily Muslim-dominated regimes (Saudi Arabia). This ensures a steady supply of desparate people willing to die for both the promise of paradise and for monetary rewards commonly given to the families of 'martyrs' by the government or the funding body of whatever terrorist group incited the attack.

That warfare is a fundamental tenent of Islam is irrefutable. The suicidal aspect would only be expected to surface in cases of assymetrical warfare, such as when fighting the United States or Israel. But during the long Iran/Iraq war, Iran was out-gunned by Iraq, so they resorted to sending waves of human land-mine sweepers out into the battle in an attempt to overwhelm the enemy with sheer numbers, even if they were hopelessly outclassed. Sheites vs Sunnis; martyrs all. Allah akbar.

5/5/2003 5:34 AM

Skreddy

quote:
"Why aren't there suicide bombers operating in Saudi Arabia, Omen, Kuwait, and other oil rich countries?[/QUOTE]Osama Bin Laden and the majority of 9/11 hijackers are/were Saudis.[QUOTE]Likewise, why aren't there suicide bombers in Syria and Jordon for that matter who have poor Islamic populations that live under relatively peaceful conditions?[/QUOTE]Syria is the headquarters of Hamas and other terrorist organizations (who are known for suicide attacks), and Jordan is known to host al-Qaida cells and members of Hezbollah and Hamas and other Palestinian resistance and terrorist groups.[QUOTE]If your theory is correct, all of these countries would be hotbeds for suicide bombing activity since they all have major Islamic population centers."

What theory?

Oh; by the way, my statement that 'nearly all suicide bombers are Muslim' does not equate to saying that 'all Islamic population centers should have suicide bombers.' That's an illegitimate logical test.

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