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Re: speaker question

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4/20/2000 6:42 PM
Sideways Jaye	Re: speaker question Dale- Yes, I've played though an EV12L loaded amp and the Sidewinder has a much throatier midrange and softer high end, without, in my opinion, being too dark. Jaye

4/20/2000 6:55 PM
dale	jaye, once again this sounds like what i'm after. now if i can just find one ! dale

4/22/2000 1:58 PM

2000 Celestion Product Line

At the NAMM show I picked up a current Celestion product line brochure. It appears the new Korean owners of Celestion have made a few changes.

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Silver Series (lower line)

V10-40 (10" - 40 watts)
V10-60
V12-60
V12-80
V15-100

'Classic Celestions'

Celestion Blue (Alnico "Bull Dog" - 15 watts)
Classic Lead (80 watts)
G12M Greenback (25 watts)
Vintage 30 (60 watts)
G12T-75
G12H (30 watts - this one's new, I think)

'General Guitar Loudspeakers'

Vintage 8 (60 watts)
Vintage 10 (60 watts - I like these)
G10C-30
G10E-50
G10F-70
G12L-35
G12E-50
G12F-70
G12T-80
G12T-100
G12H-120 (the new Sidewinder?)

All the above speakers are evidently PE-type, or paper-edge cones (I'd say 98 percent of Celestions are like this - the edge of the cone has a couple of gentle 'waves' in it and is treated with black goo). To me, these have a mosquito-like thing happening at low volumes but sound fine when you crank 'em and your ear/brain compression algorithm kicks in (I have frequency response curves for almost all the older Celestions, and it's surprising some of the peaks you see, at real high frequencies).

'Bass Guitar Loudspeakers'

BG8F-100 (100 watts)
BG10F-100
BG10T-150
BG12S-100
BG15S-100

Thess bass speakers are most likely cambric-edge (CE), which have a sharply-pleated semi-transparent fabric edge glued to the cone, and treated with clear goo. If this is true, and the BG12S-100 is the new incarnation of the former G12H-100 CE, I'm in heaven - I consider this the best-sounding Celestion I've ever heard.

'Acoustic Guitar Loudspeakers' (!)

Q5-1013 (30 watts, 140 Hz resonance!)
Q10-1517 (70 watts)
Q12-1735 (100 watts)

These evidently are specially designed for acoustic guitar amps - must be a real market out there.

Let me know if anyone wants more specific info on a given model - I don't have a whole bunch, but I do have sensitivity, frequency range, impedances available, and free-air resonance.

Ray Ivers

4/20/2000 12:45 AM

Re: speaker question

Dale,

New Sensor (www.newsensor.com) carries an Eminence speaker called the 12DF. It looks like an EVM and has a cambric (treated cloth / accordion) edge, but to me it sounds very balanced without any of the high-treble rasp that Celestion PE (paper-edge, all Celestions currently made are PE) speakers have. You don't notice it as much until you switch back and forth between the two. This rasp goes away (to your ear, not a microphone!) at higher volumes. They also sell a 10DF that is the same speaker in a 10" cone size. They are not very expensive, handle 150 watts, and sound great.

Ray Ivers

4/20/2000 3:10 AM
dale	ray, went there, but no speaker listed called the 12df. in fact, there is no 12" speaker at all over 100 watts. they did have the 10df, but i need a 12. thanks anyway ps-- i went to the eminence site and they didn't have it either

4/20/2000 1:07 PM
Ray Ivers	Dale, Sorry about that! I swear - every time I order a new speaker and I like it, it is immediately discontinued. I'll check out my data sheets and the Eminence website, and I'll get back to you if I can find an equivalent. Ray Ivers R.A.G.E. Electronics

4/21/2000 5:29 PM

Dale,

I received the following from New Sensor today:

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Ray,
Unfortunately, the 12DF was discontinued by Eminence in favor of
productionof their new "Genuine Eminence" line. We will have this new line
of speakers, along with the 12DF replacement in our new catalog and in
stock in about 2 months.

Thanks.

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Like I said before - I like it, it's gone. I'll have to try out the 'new and improved' (i.e., cheaper to produce) replacements and see what they did to them.

Ray

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