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Re: Ed-tone ruminations

9/3/1999 5:19 PM
fet	Re: Ed-tone ruminations I found out about it here: http://www.vhboots.com The website author emphatically points out that he doesn't know where to get any of these recordings, which go in and out of print regularly. I lucked out and found a few of these at my local campus CD shop, which shall remain nameless... college areas are good hunting grounds for bootlegs.

10/1/1999 6:36 AM
Ted Matsumura	I have the CD "Love Walks In" which is from the New Haven CT show in 1987, and the 2CD set USA 1992, if anyone wants to do some trades. I also have a dat list over at www.tedm.com/dats.htm of several shows.

9/4/1999 9:49 AM
Jeff	I have several copies of their Warner Bros demos and Live in '76 The sound quality is from good to poor but it's pretty cool for what it is. The only drag is that most of the songs run together on the cd. Email me. ::Jeff

9/4/1999 7:01 PM
Rob	I've been trying to find a pedal that does the cranked amp thing for 5 or 6 years and I'm sure there are people who have been searching much harder than I for even longer. There just isn't anything that comes close, although I think some people are getting closer. Forget the 12AX7 tube pedals, I A/B'ed several with my home modified TS-9 and found the TS 9 superior tonally. But the TS-9-style pedals don't do it either. There is or are pedals out there right now that have a power stage to them, too, so you can saturate the output transformer (that clean yet distorted sound), but they are all single-ended (one power tube), which, correct me if I'm wrong, will always have that cranked-SMALL-amp sound, which is not the clean-yet-disorted sound. So you could use a power attenuator--the THD Hotplate looks the best to me. Then you could use your Plexi head as the World's Largest Distortion Pedal (oh, I guess you'd have to buy a Plexi--The World's Most Expensive Distortion Pedal). That would work the best. (Forget about getting speaker cone distortion--I don't think it is as important as the transformer saturation) So that brings me to my favorite solution. Our other guitarist made a preamp out of an old tube reel-to-reel I gave him (damn, why did I do that?). I know it sounds hokey, like the first project in a musician's electronics cookbook, but it sounds incredible. It has two power tubes and a 1/4 in. output for the speaker(s), so he used a big power resistor as a dummy load and now it puts out a line level signal. This thing smokes! And the cool thing about doing this is you can get different sounds out of different tube complements (from different reel-to-reels). He made on out of a single ended reel-to-reel and it sounds very different from his other one. I saw a reel to reel at a thrift store recently that had four power tubes (don't ask me why they would make such a powerful reel-to-reel), but I didn't buy it and now I regret it. I bet it would have really had that clean pushed hard sound. These things work well because they usually have tone and volume controls and sometimes have two channels. Like I said, I know it sounds kinda cheesy, but many more guitarists than you think have done similar things...

9/4/1999 7:01 PM

Rob

I've been trying to find a pedal that does the cranked amp thing for 5 or 6 years and I'm sure there are people who have been searching much harder than I for even longer. There just isn't anything that comes close, although I think some people are getting closer. Forget the 12AX7 tube pedals, I A/B'ed several with my home modified TS-9 and found the TS 9 superior tonally. But the TS-9-style pedals don't do it either. There is or are pedals out there right now that have a power stage to them, too, so you can saturate the output transformer (that clean yet distorted sound), but they are all single-ended (one power tube), which, correct me if I'm wrong, will always have that cranked-SMALL-amp sound, which is not the clean-yet-disorted sound. So you could use a power attenuator--the THD Hotplate looks the best to me. Then you could use your Plexi head as the World's Largest Distortion Pedal (oh, I guess you'd have to buy a Plexi--The World's Most Expensive Distortion Pedal). That would work the best. (Forget about getting speaker cone distortion--I don't think it is as important as the transformer saturation)

So that brings me to my favorite solution. Our other guitarist made a preamp out of an old tube reel-to-reel I gave him (damn, why did I do that?). I know it sounds hokey, like the first project in a musician's electronics cookbook, but it sounds incredible. It has two power tubes and a 1/4 in. output for the speaker(s), so he used a big power resistor as a dummy load and now it puts out a line level signal. This thing smokes! And the cool thing about doing this is you can get different sounds out of different tube complements (from different reel-to-reels). He made on out of a single ended reel-to-reel and it sounds very different from his other one. I saw a reel to reel at a thrift store recently that had four power tubes (don't ask me why they would make such a powerful reel-to-reel), but I didn't buy it and now I regret it. I bet it would have really had that clean pushed hard sound. These things work well because they usually have tone and volume controls and sometimes have two channels. Like I said, I know it sounds kinda cheesy, but many more guitarists than you think have done similar things...

9/5/1999 3:55 PM
EricH	> Like I said, I know it sounds kinda >cheesy, but many more guitarists than you think have done >similar >things... Ritchie Blackmore for one. He just put the thing on record and took his signal off the tape monitor --this was in the 70's. So he's got this tape recorder next to his Marshall's spinning merrily around on stage...amazing. Apparently people used to accuse him of using pre-recorded tapes, and faking his playing. Wonder if he used 10 inch reels? Oh yeah, he swore by the sound he got this way. -Eric

9/5/1999 3:55 PM

EricH

> Like I said, I know it sounds kinda

>cheesy, but many more guitarists than you think have done >similar

>things...

Ritchie Blackmore for one. He just put the thing on record and took his signal off the tape monitor --this was in the 70's. So he's got this tape recorder next to his Marshall's spinning merrily around on stage...amazing. Apparently people used to accuse him of using pre-recorded tapes, and faking his playing. Wonder if he used 10 inch reels?

Oh yeah, he swore by the sound he got this way.

-Eric

9/9/1999 6:14 PM
Doc	If you desire a low power push-pull tube amp with an output transformer, to use as a saturated source, you might look at Stephen Delft's "Moonlight Amp" over on the AX84 site. Although this amp was developed as a guitar amp for quiet times, it may be a decent starting point for your application. The circuit uses a 12SN7 (you can use a more common 6SN7 with the appropriate filament transformer), both triodes in p-p. Granted, there is a very limited selection of pentodes that could be employed to obtain low-watt power levels in a p-p transformer loaded circuit. But the triodes may give you a sound close to what you're looking for. Add youre choice of 12AX7 preamp stages if you don't like the tube choice in the Moonlight circuit. With only a watt or two to dissipate, you could easily build a small speaker isolation cabinet for an interactive electromagnetic load that would be more realistic than a straight load resistor on the 8ohm winding.

9/9/1999 6:14 PM

Doc

If you desire a low power push-pull tube amp with an output transformer, to use as a saturated source, you might look at Stephen Delft's "Moonlight Amp" over on the AX84 site. Although this amp was developed as a guitar amp for quiet times, it may be a decent starting point for your application. The circuit uses a 12SN7 (you can use a more common 6SN7 with the appropriate filament transformer), both triodes in p-p. Granted, there is a very limited selection of pentodes that could be employed to obtain low-watt power levels in a p-p transformer loaded circuit. But the triodes may give you a sound close to what you're looking for. Add youre choice of 12AX7 preamp stages if you don't like the tube choice in the Moonlight circuit.

With only a watt or two to dissipate, you could easily build a small speaker isolation cabinet for an interactive electromagnetic load that would be more realistic than a straight load resistor on the 8ohm winding.

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