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Heaven and hell = carrot and stick

10/21/2003 4:57 PM
Craig	Heaven and hell = carrot and stick "As far as I'm concerned there ain't no eternal, just like there ain't no free." This is an interesting & compelling statement, Mark. I probably will fail miserably to think about this clearly, but...it makes me want to ask myself, "if there ain't no eternal, just like there ain't no free, then what about the correllary notions...if there ain't no eternal, does that imply or otherwise open the mind to the notion that there is a moment; there is cost/benefit?" If one thing is believed to be false (things can come to me for "free") does it imply a belief in the opposite? (nothing comes for "free" - some strings are always attached), or does it imply more possibilities...such as the notion that binary logic is not sufficient to make stand in topographical relief the dynamic terrain that is human existence. Maybe its more 3-D. If there isn't any "free" then that implies a "cost" and the cost would presumably be "justified" by its associated a "benefit". So do the questions, "a moment for what purpose?" and, "at what cost a moment of certain purpose?" start to become more interesting? Lst night I watched some of the Bruce Lee documentary that is showing on cable, and one thing he worked with over and over was the concept of breaking free of one's own illusions and limitations based upon beliefs. He was quite committed to understanding his own limitations & it eventually led him to a philosophy of fluidity - he maintained the freedom to change his mind according to the changes all around him. He resolved to stay open, basically - to stay alert to the changing possibilities and adapt. He gave up the idea of a perfect way, a perfect understanding of how to approach the real & metaphorical challenges he faced in his art. He focused on the changing moment, and on its essential meaning within the changing context of battle. Understanding his opponents became an excercise in understanding himself. Understanding the nature of battle focused his mind on understanding his own nature. That led him to focus on understanding the nature of change, because he found that his nature was to change as life changed - to adapt to life as life adapts to life. Rigidity as cost, fluidity as benefit. Heaven and hell = carrot and stick. Since I'm not a mule, they don't have much meaning for me. Craig

10/21/2003 4:57 PM

Craig

Heaven and hell = carrot and stick

"As far as I'm concerned there ain't no eternal, just like there ain't no free."

This is an interesting & compelling statement, Mark. I probably will fail miserably to think about this clearly, but...it makes me want to ask myself, "if there ain't no eternal, just like there ain't no free, then what about the correllary notions...if there ain't no eternal, does that imply or otherwise open the mind to the notion that there *is* a moment; there *is* cost/benefit?" If one thing is believed to be false (things can come to me for "free") does it imply a belief in the opposite? (nothing comes for "free" - some strings are always attached), or does it imply more possibilities...such as the notion that binary logic is not sufficient to make stand in topographical relief the dynamic terrain that is human existence. Maybe its more 3-D.

If there isn't any "free" then that implies a "cost" and the cost would presumably be "justified" by its associated a "benefit". So do the questions, "a moment for what purpose?" and, "at what cost a moment of certain purpose?" start to become more interesting?

Lst night I watched some of the Bruce Lee documentary that is showing on cable, and one thing he worked with over and over was the concept of breaking free of one's own illusions and limitations based upon beliefs. He was quite committed to understanding his own limitations & it eventually led him to a philosophy of fluidity - he maintained the freedom to change his mind according to the changes all around him. He resolved to stay open, basically - to stay alert to the changing possibilities and adapt. He gave up the idea of a perfect way, a perfect understanding of how to approach the real & metaphorical challenges he faced in his art. He focused on the changing moment, and on its essential meaning within the changing context of battle. Understanding his opponents became an excercise in understanding himself. Understanding the nature of battle focused his mind on understanding his own nature. That led him to focus on understanding the nature of change, because he found that his nature was to change as life changed - to adapt to life as life adapts to life. Rigidity as cost, fluidity as benefit.

Heaven and hell = carrot and stick. Since I'm not a mule, they don't have much meaning for me.

Craig